Newt Gingrich on California's Proposition 8
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gotta love newt. although, i wish he would have touched more on the consequences of legalizing gay marriage, which would energize people to really get out and support prop 8.
so, what are some of the concequences?
first, if gay marriage is legalized, public schools will be forced to introduce "same-sex sexual experimentation" in their health sex-ed classes starting in 5th grade.
second, our school teachers will have to teach even our kindergartners about the gay lifestyle as being normal and accepted.
third, lawsuit after lawsuit. imagine if a gay couple wanted to marry in a catholic church, but the church opposes this union. gay couples would have the right to sue the church, and they would have the law on their side (if prop 8 does not succeed) in suing churches across america for not marrying them, even if marrying a same-sex couple is fundamentally against their core religious beliefs.
these are just three examples about how prop 8 will affect you and your children. there are so many more! don't just sit back and think, "it doesn't matter to me, that gay couple can get married if they want to, what difference does it make in my life?" well, this law will make a difference.
please vote YES on prop 8, and defend marriage as between a man and a woman. do it for our kids, do it for america!
To me the law of marriage was made clear in the Garden of Eden. Adam and Eve were married and began a family when they were cast out. God is pro-family, duh! The norm for centuries was that a man and woman would marry and then start their family. Eventually the governement (for whatever reason - probably taxes) got involved and declared that marriage also had to be a legal issue. So first God said it was essential and THEN the government. It was God's law first and he said Adam and Eve NOT Adam and Steve. IT WAS GOD'S LAW FIRST and the government has no right to change it, because it really is not their law. It's God's law. VOTE YES ON PROP 8. SUPPORT THE FAMILY.
I thought we had separation of church and state. Your church and religion is none of my business.
Why do you want to legislate some of my rights away based on your religious beliefs?
If you vote away my rights, your rights could be voted away in the next election.
What people do that harms no one else is their business. A constitution is normally used to protect the rights of all people against government, not enshrine discrimination against an unfavored minority.
Society works best when people have the freedom we naturally crave. It doesn't work so well when everyone must conform to a societal norm. Look at the Islamic countries for example - is that what you want?
I'll take freedom & liberty!
Pat Wright
La Mesa, CA
This is a civil rights issue, and one in which California is leading the nation. With all respect to Newt, its only bigotry and fear that hinder marriage rights for all Americans.
Amanda - Prop. 8 will have NO legal effect on the ecclesiastical law or practices of the Catholic Church or any other church.
Marriage as defined by the state and as defined in various religion's laws are not the same. Existing examples include certain Islamic teachings allowing polygamy, as well as the FLDS allowing both polygamy and "marriage" of girls below the age of legal consent. Civil law does not recognize such plural marriages or marrianges without legal consent, even if the church law permits such marriages. In such cases, one is married in the church, but not in civil law.
The rights of churches to control religious membership and practice in both employment and operation of the church is well established.
The Catholic chuch has the established legal right to require its employees in church-related functions to be Catholics.
For most of its history (and this may still be true) the Mormons would not ordain blacks to ministry. There is no civil rights remedy - courts have established that the church can control qualifications for membership, ordination, and virtually everything else related to the religious functions of the church.
Two heterosexual protestants (or atheists, or whatever) want to get married "their" way in a particular Catholic church? Nope, can't do it, and there is no legal remedy based on any concept of equal protection, discrimination or any other claim.
Gay marriage falls into the same category - no church in the United States can be compelled to recognize it, to perform it, to allow "married" homosexuals to be members. Churches are private organizations protected under the Establishment Clause of the First Amendment. Nothing in Proposition 8, or any other Federal or state law can or will change that.
The country was founded on the premise of the separation of church and state, and that each individual has the unalienable right to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness. Seems pretty clear that government should have no role in determining who should marry whom. To be honest, prop 8 reminds me of other forms of "justifiable" prejudice from they past ("they'll marry your children"). Get a life, and let others have theirs.
I'm very concerned that Prop 8 will legalize polygamy.. That's why I'm going to leave things as they are and vote NO on PROP 8.
Um, Amanda, churches would not be required to marry gay couples. As part of religious freedom, any religious body CANNOT be forced to perform an ecclesiastical service that goes against their beliefs, they already have and employ to reject ANY marriage they wish.
Second, there is no such thing as a "gay lifestyle", gays lead out as many "lifestyles" as straight people, the only difference is who we choose to love. Some of them are even christians, catholics, judges and other respectable professionals *gasp*.
Third, so what if kids are informed about homosexuality in school, we might do something terrible and reduce the spread of HIV. I was forced to learn about christian doctorant in school, no one ever complained about that. I mean maybe we shouldn't teach our kids about the cold war because I disagree with communism.
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